Dorset Speed facebook group was shut down!!
                                 
                                Here is the link to the new group 
                                 
                                 
                                
                                     
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                
                                    
                                    
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                
                                 | 
                            
                                
     
        Points for discussion at TAG meeting, 24th 
        Feb, 2011 
    
        Following some communications with Ron Parker, I was invited to present some 
        points for the TAG meeting.  
    
        Here were my initial points: 
    
        
        1. 
        Dorset, despite some 
        of the lowest tolerance speed camera enforcements and most severe speed limit 
        reductions is among the worst performing counties in casualty reduction. 
        Speeding is only 
        one of many driving problems, and cameras detect the wrong types of speeders, 
        typically mature, safe drivers, often with unblemished driving records for 20 
        years+, a small amount above limits which have been reduced well below the 
        natural safe speed for the road. They are predictable, either fixed or mobile, 
        so do not effect those who want to speed, either (in some cases safely) because 
        they now find some limits impractical, or because they are dangerous speeders, 
        racers, criminals, etc., as they have 99.9% of road space available to do what 
        they want, and all they have to do is to not go past yellow boxes and stripy 
        vans above the limit, it’s not hard. From these simple starting points, the 
        claimed benefit in casualty reduction of speed cameras looks, and actually is, 
        totally implausible. But speed cameras and ever reducing limits have completely 
        dominated efforts to reduce deaths (or so we are told). 
     
    
          
    
        
        2. It seems that the unsatisfactory 
        reductions in casualties that seem somewhat inevitable to many observers has 
        resulted in massively increasing the dose of the wrong medicine rather than 
        looking for a medicine that works. Limits are being used now just as a way to 
        have less serious accidents, rather than to define a sensible maximum safe 
        speed, and actually working on accident prevention by properly addressing the 
        primary causes. This results in limits that really have become too low for 
        normal safe drivers, such as Holes Bay, Dorset / Canford Way, Wessex Way, even 
        when the higher previous limit was not being properly respected / enforced. This 
        increases accidental and deliberate speeding, reduced respect of law and limits, 
        and escalates the whole unfortunate situation. DfT guidance recognises the 
        danger of inappropriately low limits and warns against this. 
     
    
          
    
        
        3. The probability and severity of 
        impact is dependant not only on the speed immediately prior to the situation 
        developing, but also how far ahead that situation was seen and avoidance 
        started, i.e. attention and anticipation, probably the 2 most fundamental, 
        important qualities of a good driver. It’s easy to spot an inattentive driver. 
        If I was going to fall off my bike, I’d prefer to have drivers around me driving 
        up to 70, but watching the road, keeping a safe distance and thinking about what 
        they need to reduce speed for, than driving at 50 and thinking that’s all they 
        need to do to be safe. Just imagine the effectiveness of a campaign that shows a 
        driver thinking “what can go wrong” as he drives down the road. 
    
          
    
        
        4. When do you take most notice of 
        your speedo? Is it when you’re going past a speed camera, or a busy school? I 
        don’t look at my speedo at all when I’m going past a busy school, and that 
        doesn’t mean I’m doing more than 20. There’s just more important things to look 
        for. In fact most of the time, more than 10 would be insane. And when the school 
        is empty 40 might be entirely safe. You simply can’t micro-manage every inch of 
        every road with the huge dynamic variations, with speed limits. You have to rely 
        on drivers knowing what is appropriate, to some extent, and in reality, 
        enforcement will never detect a large proportion of all problems in all places. 
        Therefore, you must enthuse and encourage safe driving both where there are and 
        are not enforcements, rather than treat all drivers like naughty children, 
        “Caught – no excuse”. Rigid enforcement of arbitrary limits which the driver can 
        see no reason for is anti-productive and therefore dangerous. Driver psychology 
        is obviously a critical factor and to work against it is seriously irresponsible 
        and damaging. 
    
          
    
        
        5. Sadly, it could not be possible 
        for DRS to have more effectively demonstrated that all it ever does is about 
        making money. The insistence that it is only concerned with saving lives, in 
        total conflict with the nature of it’s operations, communications and 
        performance, and that it has continued in this way for so long, is shocking and 
        insulting to those who are and are not directly effected by road trauma. I’ve 
        lost count of the number of simple fundamental questions that DRS refuses to 
        answer, presumably as any answer can only start to reveal the truth. 
    
          
    
        
        6. While trusting everything to 
        DRS, the right things are not being done. Putting the responsibility with the 
        driver to think about anticipating what may happen ahead. Doing something about 
        the appalling standard of driving, inability to use sliproads properly, driving 
        too close, distraction, inattention, lack of respect / tolerance for other road 
        users, etc. Being smart about the future, developing new technology to help with 
        traffic enforcement of a wide range of problems AND flow management, reducing 
        journey times, stress. I had no problem detecting 1 problem a minute with a 
        camcorder, the opportunities are vast. None of these things will make a fast 
        buck, but will bring financial rewards through proper reduced accidents and 
        reduced wasted time on the roads. The only way to properly deliver effective 
        road safety is to consider financial benefit as a fortunate but guaranteed side 
        effect, rather than a primary (and possibly exclusive) reason. 
    
          
    
        
        7. We need to use the precious few 
        resources we can afford in the very best way. We must observe and identify the 
        most abundant and serious real driving problems, and target them properly. It 
        will be much better to do a small amount of the right thing rather than 
        continuing to do more and more of the wrong thing. There is poor speed limit 
        compliance away from cameras, so they are pointless and we must not spend 
        another penny on them. Intelligent people on the road and new technologies are 
        the way forward and as a technology expert and having taken a great interest in 
        road safety, I would be very happy to contribute more. 
    
        
     
    
        
     
    
        
     
    
        The response can be seen here: 
    
        
     
    
        
        
        http://ha2.boroughofpoole.com/committeedocuments/agendas_minutes_reports_get_file.asp?f=%2Fcommitteepdf%2Freport%2Ftransportation+advisory+group%2Ftag240220113+road+safety+issues%2Edoc%2Epdf 
    
        
     
    
        
     
    
          
    
        Here was my reply: 
    
          
    
        Many thanks for the consideration of my points and 
        responses raised. I’d like to raise some responses in reply: 
    
        - 
            On the point of performance, the data you provide 
            does not look so bad. Can you explain the apparent conflict with the reports I 
            found (quoted below)? When I mentioned “lowest tolerance speed camera 
            enforcements” I referred not to the speed threshold, but to the choice of 
            enforcement operations, for example mobile and fixed cameras used on recently 
            reduced 30 limit non-residential, dual carriageways. 20% over a realistically 
            set limit is not insignificant, but over for example, the 30 limit on Holes bay, 
            Upton Road, or Old Wareham Road dual carriageways, favourite locations for 
            Dorset Road Safe to deploy their limited resources, is rather insignificant. If 
            these resources had been used on residential streets, they would still have been 
            ignored by hardened speeders but at least those who would have been caught would 
            have deserved it.
 
     
    
        While stopping drivers for not wearing seatbelts, or 
        holding phones, is of some value, really, you can be just as distracted by any 
        number of other things (including fiddling with dashboard mounted sat navs / 
        phones etc) as holding a phone and not wearing a belt is not going to increase 
        the probability of causing an accident (indeed it might reduce it due to the 
        feeling of vulnerability). I was hoping you might have said that dangerous 
        overtakers, those who simply can’t use sliproads properly, tailgaters, etc. i.e 
        the things that really cause accidents, would be targeted. I don’t think they 
        are, probably because these things are more difficult to prosecute successfully 
        – i.e. the wrong reasons. 
    
        While you have identified a number of road user 
        groups, you do have not mentioned what you are doing about them. So, we are left 
        with enforcements tuned for quantity, not quality, even if not only for 
        speeding.    
     
    
        “Since 2006 there has been a 
        disappointing increase in KSI casualties. The county is currently 10% below the 
        1994-98 KSI base figure, which is behind target and places Dorset in the lower 
        quartile of performance across GB.” 
    
        
        
        http://www.dorsetforyou.com/media.jsp?mediaid=139747&filetype=pdf 
    
        “In 2008, there were 442 road 
        casualties per 100,000 people in Dorset, the highest rate in SW counties and 
        unitaries (SW 368, England 397). Bournemouth (420) & Poole (403) had the 4th and 
        5th highest proportions, respectively, among South West county and unitary 
        authorities.” 
    
        
        
        http://www.gosw.gov.uk/497666/docs/220636/309014/dorsstatbrf.doc" 
    
        - 
            Some of the recent limit reductions conflict not 
            only with DfT guidelines, but normal safe driving and common sense also. 50 on 
            the Dorset Way is as good as saying “we’ve completely given up on bad driving, 
            so we’re just going to try to get everyone to crash into each other a bit 
            slower”. If you ignore current guidance I suspect you will ignore any new 
            guidance from the coalition. While no-one is in any doubt that driving above the 
            speed limit is breaking the law, the simple fact is that in reality making 
            limits too low increases lawlessness without any benefit in return. I’m sure (I 
            hope) you are aware that picking instantaneous figures from 2 years really means 
            nothing statistically with such large variations. 
 
     
    
        - 
            Of course, drivers have a wide range of 
            capabilities. But setting limits based on what will cause the lease possible 
            damage for the worst possible drivers under the worst possible conditions is 
            taking it too far. You only need a safe following distance for 70 to be entirely 
            safe on the Dorset Way. Tailgating etc. are not acceptable driving styles for 
            tired / drugged (prescription or otherwise) or any drivers. To allow this 
            dangerous behaviour on the road but try to reduce it’s effects by installing 
            unrealistic limits is a complete nonsense. And education will do nothing to 
            improve a driver who chooses to drive badly. Indeed, road safety is 
            complex, but all we are really seeing is some irritating signs and a few badly 
            chosen speed camera operations.
 
     
    
        - 
            Checking that you are driving within a 20 limit at a 
            school when a child is likely to step out from behind a car is completely, 
            totally, pointless, actually only dangerous. In this situation you should be 
            doing 10 or less. If you think you are safe because you are driving at 20 past a 
            school because the number in the circle says so, you should not be driving. 
            Speed limits simply can’t define some magical threshold of safety. And if you 
            think they do, as organisations like Dorset Road Safe tell us, you are not a 
            good driver. I’m sorry, but DRS is totally dominated by speed, speed, speed.
            
 
     
    
        - 
            I’m not so concerned with what has already been 
            wasted on DRS, that’s water under the bridge, I and the public do not want any 
            more of our money wasted on this. Dorset Road Safe are not, and have never been, 
            willing to respond to requests for information or to answer simple questions.  
 
     
    
        - 
            If analysis is performed on casualty data that is 
            good, unfortunately there is little sign of this resulting in science in 
            accident prevention. 
 
     
    
        - 
            I’m sorry, again, all we are seeing is speed limit 
            reductions beyond any stretch of reality or credibility, and badly chosen, 
            predictable, speed cameras. You ARE obsessed with speed and speeding. “looking 
            to develop a package of policies that will work for the vast majority of 
            motorists who drive responsibly, while targeting the actions of the deliberate 
            and dangerous few” THAT is exactly what we need, but we’re a million miles from 
            it right now.
 
     
    
        As you can see this leaves little that looks good in 
        your responses. I think it’s unfortunate that there is no recognition whatsoever 
        of problems when it is so obvious that there are some (serious) ones. 
     
    
        I will therefore expect a further response to these 
        points, and as there is still no justification for speed cameras, none of my 
        council tax, or those of the many I represent, being spent on speed cameras. 
    
          
    
        No further reply of any kind has been received or seems likely. 
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
    
          
        
    
                             |