dorsetspeed, Poole says...
7:59pm Tue 28 Jun 11
Oh dear, Tony Trent again. He pops up with the same nonsense, gets totally
outclassed by evidence, facts and common sense, ends up not being able to say
much more than "I just trust my judgement" and goes quiet, then comes back like
a yapping dog with the same nonsense over again. Such it seems is the mentality
of those supporting cameras.
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Tony, before going around the loop and being proved an idiot for the 4th or 5th
time, how about properly completing the last debate? I've recorded it for you at
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And just to comment on your points, no cyclists or peds were killed at this
location before the camera was installed (at least 10 years), and while the
speed limit was much higher, which is hardly surprising as there are safe off
road pavements and cycle paths, and barriers, on both sides, and if this changes
in the future, than that will be the time to revise speed limits. And I know
that you are biologically incapable of understanding this point, but those who
want to speed can do as they please and just slow as the go past the camera!
Here's a word of advice if you want to be taken seriously: Don't say or write
things which are clearly nonsense! I or nobody else cannot say for sure that
anyone will or won't get killed here with or without a camera.
Tony Trent, Poole says...
12:46am Wed 29 Jun 11
Go tell that to the family of a future victim. Speed kills. Of that there is no
doubt. A car ploughing into a pedestrian or cyclist at 50mph is going to be a
lot worse than one going at 30mph and possibly able to stop. The end of the
Holes Bay Road approaching Hunger Hill, at a point where the number of non
motorists crossing will go up without doubt, should be 30mph. Get real and SLOW
DOWN!! The World should not revolve around the selfish speed freak!
dorsetspeed, Poole says...
8:56am Wed 29 Jun 11
Just as I thought, Tony chose to prove himself an idiot again. Tony, you won’t
find anyone for or against speed cameras who will agree with you that an
accident won’t happen if the camera stays and it will happen if it goes. Yes an
ped incident at 50 will be very nasty and one at 30 may not be. But an incident
at 5, or better still 0, may not be nasty at all, so can you see that the only
logic you seem to be able to comprehend simply suggests we should ban cars? That
logic doesn’t seem to work.
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I’ll point it out again, there are MASSIVE speed limit inconsistencies, and I
see you’ve chosen not to comment on the 50 limit through the PC world shopping
center. I’ve pointed out many others and explained why, which you’ve also
ignored. If you think 40 on a wide safe dual carriageway is being a “speed
freak” you really need to get out more.
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This is the clearest example I’ve seen of the “my mind is made up, don’t confuse
me with the facts” syndrome with seen of all the Dorset “Authorities”.
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Accidents are emotional events, but road safety decision making must accept that
there will be deaths and must use logic, evidence, facts, and common sense to
find the best compromise, and absolutely not personal opinion or emotion. All we
see from Tony is personal opinion and emotion, and a mind-blowing capability to
ignore / avoid the facts, evidence and common sense.
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The way intelligent debate works is that participants absorb information, and
either accept points made, or offer an explanation as to why they don’t accept
those points.
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Let’s try again Tony. Rather than just repeating “someone’s going to die” with
your fingers in your ears, try reading some of the points made, and engaging
with them. You might be very surprised by what you find.
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As I’ve said before, it is truly worrying that the council allows such incapable
and incompetent people to take part in important decision making but not all
that surprising. This is one of the reasons that Dorset is amongst the poorest
performing councils in casualty reduction.